Thank you Living. I really appreciate your feedback To be honest, I have a similar feeling about groups, that they are only a part of the journey, and it is important to not always rely on them and at some stage when we feel ready we need to move on. However, in my own case, at least during this period of my life, I consider getting support from the groups of people experiencing similar problems to myself an essential part of moving forward. I don’t see the groups as an alternative to reality, but as the next best thing, an opportunity to experiment in a supportive environment what I can then feel better able to take on in the outside world. After all, depression is a reality too, albeit one that is frequently hidden and out of view. I have this philosophy that we need 2 types of relationship to mature: somebody who is in a better position than us, and somebody who is in a worse position than us. It is valuable to realise, no matter how down and out we feel, there is somebody who will benefit from our guidance and presence in their lives, yet it is also essential that we have somebody who is wiser than we are who we can learn from and emulate. The former is about supporting the needs of others as a 'parent', the latter is about our own need to be parented. Acknowledging and understanding archetypes is, for me, very helpful. I learned a lot about this from the book 'King, Warrior, Magician, Lover'. On a separate note, I made 9 days. That was the SLOWEST 9 days of my life but I think it is because my life has been richer and fuller than it has been in a long time.