What's wrong with masturbating without porn??

Discussion in 'Pornography Addiction' started by Nick007, Mar 9, 2013.

  1. Nick007

    Nick007 New Member

    I don't understand what's the problem with masturbating 2-3 times a week?
     
  2. ram

    ram New Member

    As long as are not fantasizing its not really bad other than wasting energy. If you fantasize then you are training your mind away from real sex with a partner and thats not good.
     
  3. Nerf Herder

    Nerf Herder New Member

    PIED could take 2-3 years to go away if you masturbate.

    Masturbating "mechanically" with no stimulation, natural or artificial, is pretty pointless.

    Masturbating with fantasy leads to escalation which ultimately incorporates porn.
     
  4. EJohn7439

    EJohn7439 New Member

    Plus, if you are masturbating with fantasy then you might as well be doing it to porn. No difference.
     
  5. Bruce45

    Bruce45 New Member

    When Gary says that one of the tests for PIED is being able to masturbate without fantasy, does that also include fantasies of your real life exes or does it mean just fantasies of porn videos you've seen?
     
  6. The Painkiller

    The Painkiller New Member

    It leads to porn which messes you up.

    Trust me, I used to say "Oh, it's just without porn" before I'd get watching porn.
     
  7. Withnail

    Withnail New Member

    He means any kind of fantasy, the theory is you should be able to masturbate to only using sensation.
     
  8. gameover

    gameover Age: 26

    I think if you masturbated a few times a month its not a problem at all. Especially if you can get a perfectly healthy erection and still have a strong sex drive and do not need to watch porn.
     
  9. Downandout

    Downandout Active Member

    I don't think anyone on this message board has any business with his dick in his hand for a looooong time, but then again, everyone has different goals. Me personally? I want to eliminate any traces of PIED, flatline, perversions, etc. MO only leads to PMO. We are all addicts, and are wired to immediately associate one with the other.

    Want to get better? Let go of the piddly, weak, self induced orgasms and heal your brain by leaving masturbation alone. Sacrifice and watch better changes appear in your life.
     
  10. Bruce45

    Bruce45 New Member

    But how do you not think of something (anything), while you masturbate?
     
  11. Withnail

    Withnail New Member

    You focus your attention on the sensation that your body is feeling instead of visualising.
     
  12. Gary Wilson

    Gary Wilson Active Member

    It's simply an assessment test to gauge your erection when compared to watching porn. And yes, a young should have no problems at all achieving a great erection to sensation only.
     
  13. Bruce45

    Bruce45 New Member

    Ok thank you. I only asked that because when I used to masturbate, half the time I did it without porn. But during those times I did use fantasies of ex-gf's, not porn though. I suppose masturbation to sensation only is the key to good regular sex.
     
  14. HANDsome_devil

    HANDsome_devil New Member

    I second this.
     
  15. Nick007

    Nick007 New Member

    Yes its easy actually you just think about the pleasure you get from you penis just like when you are getting a massage for example you are focusing only on the pleasure

    But Gary and other guys too ,what is wrong if you masturbate with lets say a girl you like or a friend or something,imagine a guy in the 1930s who had sex many times and now he likes a woman and he fantasize about her.
    Sexual fantasies have been familiar with people since ancient times http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_fantasy .People even performed kinky stuff in ancient times http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomba_della_Fustigazione .

    So How we define "porn" fantasy that is not allowed when we masturbate and why its wrong to masturbate imaging a threesome and what connection it has with high speed internet porn?
     
  16. Withnail

    Withnail New Member

    If you have ED any type of masturbation even with fantasy will slow down your reboot time. This is evident from the many posts on this forum.
     
  17. Nick007

    Nick007 New Member

    Ok if we dont have ED ?
     
  18. Withnail

    Withnail New Member

    If you don't have ED then I don't see it as a problem.
     
  19. blueonblack

    blueonblack It's all about perspetive

    I think MO'ing for the guy who never looked at Porn or had an unhealthy masturbation problem. No, there is nothing wrong with it. But because of how we've messed up our brains, I don't think you can ever masturbate again because your brain has now has reconstructed that action to correlate itself with porn.

    It's the same thing with an alcoholism. People who don't have a problem with drinking can have a drink whenever they want without any consequence. Now, this is not the case for the alcoholic, who because of his past with alcohol, now has a mental and physical allergy to liquor. He will never be able to casually drink again. Even if it's been ten years since he quit. His brain is forever addicted to the drink.
     
  20. Equilibrium

    Equilibrium New Member

    Then go get laid. ;)
     

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