PORN ADDICTION COMPARED TO HEROIN OR CRACK COCAINE ADDICTION

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  1. be_more

    be_more New Member

    PORN ADDICTION COMPARED TO HEROIN OR CRACK COCAINE ADDICTION

    Dr Lasha Darkmoon

    Columbia university neurologist Dr Norman Doidge, in his book The Brain That Changes Itself, describes how pornography causes rewiring of the neural circuits. He notes that in a study of men viewing internet pornography, the men looked “uncannily” like rats pushing the levers in experimental Skinner boxes. “Like the addicted rats,” Dr Doidge points out, “the men were desperately seeking their next fix, clicking the mouse just as the rats pushed the lever.”

    All addictions, Dr Dodge tells goes on to tell us, cause “lifelong, neuroplastic changes in the brain.” This includes porn addiction:

    Dopamine is also involved in plastic change. The same surge of dopamine that thrills us also consolidates neuronal connections. An important link with porn is that dopamine is also released in sexual excitement, increasing the sex drive in both sexes, facilitating orgasm, and activating the brain’s pleasure centers. Hence the addictive power of pornography.

    The men at their computers looking at porn were uncannily like the rats in the cages of the NIH, pressing the bar to get a shot of dopamine or its equivalent. Though they didn’t know it, they had been seduced into pornographic training sessions that met all the conditions required for plastic change of brain maps. Since neurons that fire together wire together, these men got massive amounts of practice wiring these images into the pleasure centers of the brain, with the rapt attention necessary for plastic change.

    They imagined these images when away from their computers, or while having sex with their girlfriends, reinforcing them. Each time they felt sexual excitement and had an orgasm when they masturbated, a “spritz of dopamine,” the reward neurotransmitter, consolidated the connections made in the brain during the sessions. (See here)

    It is in this way that pornography becomes a serious addiction, comparable to heroin or crack cocaine addiction, and begins its slow and deadly assault on the brain. And as other research has shown, it facilitates callousness in sexual relationships—sex completely divorced from love and an interest in family and children.
     
  2. jj314

    jj314 Guest

    I hope there isn't a permanent change.
     
  3. LTE

    LTE Master Of My Domain

    I think that with time most of the change is reversed but . . . even after years away from PMO it would be easy to relapse completely if you ever let it back not your life.
     
  4. Renmazou

    Renmazou New Member

    I think it is reasonable to assume that if any activity causes a plastic change in the brain, then by extension there must be some other activity that can undo that change.
     
  5. forevergone

    forevergone New Member

    im a huge PMO and gambling addict. are those the two things causing this awful brain fog? like the damage being done to my brain?
     
  6. Kyle

    Kyle New Member

    In my opinion, porn and masturbation are the hardest "high" to quit.

    You can access it anonymously in the comfort of your own home without interacting with anyone, the porn is always there on the Internet, your genitals are always right with you, and you can do all of this for free.
     
  7. jdurden

    jdurden Guest

    In many ways agree. In terms of relapsing I think I totally agree, it's dead easy to relapse to PMO you just have to allow yourself to weaken to temptation and it would take a matter of seconds.
    In terms of cravings I'd disagree, I've felt the addictive potential of d4ugs once before after doing a lot of them and it really doesn't compare.

    Although I've never done, and would never try crack. After edging to tube sites without O back in the day I remember the brain fog and anxiety I felt afterwards clearly and I compared this to to how I though someone would feel after a run on crack. Your brain feels exhausted after keeping dopamine levels high afterwards and now it's reached the end there is no relief. There was only ever the "incentive of reward" and that's what kept you going.
     
  8. Kyle

    Kyle New Member

    Also another reason it is hard to quit, is that no one can force you to quit. As long as you aren't looking at illegal stuff, file-sharing, or hacking into sites, no one can put you in prison or force you into treatment for looking at porn or masturbating.
     
  9. hogus

    hogus New Member

    From what I've read about substance addiction, porn is harder in some ways because it's always there and can't be weaned off in the traditional addiction sense. The withdrawal and symptoms aren't as bad but quitting it can be harder. Plus you just don't realize you have a problem with porn until you hit bottom.
     
  10. The Painkiller

    The Painkiller New Member

    This is why I'm not going to P ever ever again. Also, if I don't quit then later when I get married and look at P....ouch that would be disgusting!
     
  11. Ramd

    Ramd Truthseeker

    Thank you for posting this be_more. You just gave me more motivation.
     
  12. fugu

    fugu "You know, feelin' good, livin' betta." :)

    Interesting...I'm feeling pretty proud of myself and all the guys who were able to get off this! Heroin and crack never seemed that easy to quit...LOL
     
  13. Nerf Herder

    Nerf Herder Member

    This.

    I remember reading the accounts of a recovered heroin addict. After 25 years off the junk, he still "thought about it". No inclination to do it, but "thought about it."
     
  14. Laurynas

    Laurynas 300 Days+ Experienced.

    IMO it's just something that you can feel yourself better for, "oh umm, I've read that my porn addiction is worse than crack, that's why I can't so easily quit and that's why I'm gonna go wank one more time and maybe one more after that"..

    All you have to do to beat it is to do nothing, like come-on, lol.

    If you're failing than that means just one thing - you don't really want to quit it yet, you want it as something "nice to have" instead "I MUST" and with the first attitude - you'll be lucky if you go over at least a month or so.

    Give yourself arguements why do you even want or need this, that will clear some things up for you..

    And if you're having a problem.. Just coach yourself by asking yourself two simple questions:

    1) Why?
    2) What do I need to change in order to be successful?

    Just constantly work with those two questions..
     
  15. hogus

    hogus New Member

    That's part of what makes it harder, if a heroin junkie thinks about getting a hit then nothing. Unless he gets a chaser or actually ends up doing it. If a P addict thinks about P then that's like actually watching P on a very small scale since it's our own neurotransmitter response we are addicted to... let alone the chaser.

    Doing nothing has never been so hard :eek: there's a compromise to be found between realizing how trivial your addiction is and how seriously you take it. That kind of mindset is partly what led me to relapse - P was never a serious obstacle for me, I quit it instantly and MO was the problem for weeks. So when the P cravings hit me, they took me full force.
     
  16. TrainingTheDragon

    TrainingTheDragon New Member

    That's a very ignorant view of addiction Laurynas. You basically discredited all addiction support systems including this forum by saying that.

    Why do you contribute so much of your time to this forum if the answer really is that simple? Are all addicts idiots for not realizing this 'truth'?
    And your advice for any addict is to ask himself two bullshit questions. You want an addict's brain to rationalize his need when he's aching for a hit?

    Don't understand how you can get off saying something so foolish.
     
  17. Laurynas

    Laurynas 300 Days+ Experienced.

    Aww, did I just touch a soft-sore spot inside of you?

    What do you want? A high-level math equation for your addiction to make you feel better that you're not doing as good as you could be? Seriously, lol.

    So you're saying I'm a fool for being rebooted and you're not? ::)
     
  18. TrainingTheDragon

    TrainingTheDragon New Member

    My reboot's going just fine. I say you're a fool for trivializing the problems faced by millions around the world with such an ignorant, blanket statement.

    Nice job dodging ALL my questions. Your sarcastic tone and smug smile at the end tells us plenty about your superiority complex.
     
  19. Primetime

    Primetime New Member

    It's so easy to say "Aww, did I just touch a soft spot?".. Get over yourself.


    I have to say though, I agree that porn is not the hardest addiction to stop, I've never done crack or heroin.. but I wouldn't dare comparing it to that shit.
    Like he said, stopping is just a matter of not watching P. It might not be easy, but it's not the fucking end of the world. Just fucking do it.
     
  20. Laurynas

    Laurynas 300 Days+ Experienced.

    Is it my problem that their facings problems and can't deal with it? I had a problem - I've dealt with it.

    So I'm superior.. :)

    Your questions were rhetorical to me but if you still want them to get answered:

    1) Who said that I contribute a lot of time? I used to though, then I've quit the forum, now I'm back and soon I'll quit again, and your point of this question was?
    2) So you just called yourself an idiot? Good one, I didn't though. Taking it simple is one of the many ways of being successful, worked for me, and your point of this question was?
    3) It's called self-coaching, because I'd doubt you'd want to do a real coaching session with someone about your wanking problem, it's kinda funny that you're calling it bullshit when you even haven't tried it and you don't even understand what's the point of it, lol.
    4) So you're suggesting being irrational instead? lol. So answer me this.. You control the brain or the brain controls you? If you relapse - your brain did it, not you, right? Aching? So your penis starts roaring around and hurting you that you feel like aching? lol

    Sometimes I surely do think that some population of men get PMS, so grumpy, lolol.
     

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