Discussion in 'Ages 40+' started by ananoman, Dec 5, 2012.
Pull up, you know what to do.
Glad to hear you're feelin' a lil' better.
Thanks for the encouragement guys. I met with my mentor who also encouraged me to stay clean.
I'm pretty sure my severe lethargy/brain fog these past few days was too mush sex with O (3 times in 6 days with last 2 on consecutive days) moreso than the lack of sleep although I'm sure the poor sleep made it worse. The reason I say this is because last night I still didn't sleep great (6 hours of total actual sleep) yet I'm feeling better today as my brain recovers from the frequent O.
Glad to read that you are feeling better. Lethargy and brain fog are often the after effect of those O's ... sadly... and then sometimes some grumpiness that follows a day or so later. But, these do pass.
Woah! That would definitely be the reason for the fog. This also fires up the chaser effect, which in turn makes us want to view P. We are who we are and have to adjust our lives accordingly.
The lethargy finally began to lift near noon today, around 6 days after my last O.
What do you guys think, when fully rebooted should 3 orgasms in 6 days still give problems? I sure as hell hope not.
Good question. I think that unfortunately it will still give you problems, because as we age are refractory period is going to naturally increase. And while rebooting will get you back to where you should be (normal and healthy), as a 40+ year old that isn't going to be the same as if you were 20.
Right now my problem is that with my testosterone replacement therapy, physically I am capable of having sex much more frequently than my brain can handle. Heck honestly I could do it everyday from a physical standpoint but it would destroy my brain
I don't think the refractory period of a healthy 20 year old and a healthy 40 year should be too vastly different...but I'm welcome to differing opinions.
I mean sure, a 20 year old will be 10 minutes...but shouldn't a 40 year old be a few hours to a day? Otherwise there would seem to be something wrong.
Very interesting ananoman, about the T replacement...how's your libido? I realize that at 43 I have lower hormones than when I was 23, but I'm in better shape, lift, run, eat healthier and live a whole lot healthier. I don't watch porn, I don't jerk off. Maybe I'm an optimist my I fully intend to have better sex now than when I was younger.
I absolutely expect a few 'issues' with negative symptoms after orgasm for at least the next year.
But if I do not relapse (and I won't), then I expect the majority of those symptoms will fade completely...and I expect a refractory period of about a day at the most (by refractory period I mean I feel ready for more sex and I am capable of sex -- I would think I would be capable a few hours later or less, capable of erections). I do NOT plan on having sex every day or orgasming probably more than once a week or so...but I do think I should be capable of 3 or 4 orgasms a week with no issues to my body or brain.
I'm smoking crack on this? I really don't think so.
By your definition of refractory period (feeling ready for sex and capable of sex), my refractory period is a day at the most. My libido has its peaks and valleys like everyone else. If I stay clean for a few days my urges get pretty strong. If I have sex, the chaser effect is real strong. When I'm sleeping I basically deal with not morning wood but pretty much all night wood.
But like I said before- my brain can't handle all the orgasms, and prior to my PAE procedure my prostate can't handle sex without orgasm- I haven't tried it since my surgery though so I have no idea how things would go now.
I'm here for different reasons than most- I never really had an ED problem (although I was starting to notice things were changing for the worse which brought me to this site). I also never went off the deep end with porn. The reason I'm here is that I've always had a fatigue/lethargy problem and I can now make a correlation that my fatigue/lethargy/brain fog is related to frequency of masturbation, edging, and even sex with orgasm. BTW I'm 53
I'm 58 and I can now have sex every day, I think. I actually haven't tried it, but I feel like that wouldn't be an issue for me physically. I'm not on any kind of T-replacement or anything else. A year ago I could barely cum with my hand, anymore, and with a woman it was softsville. A year P free and libido is good and sensitivity is pretty good. Our bodies are capable of so much more than we think. I fully expect to have sex, without help of drugs, until I'm at least 70.
I agree with you both that the O's wreak havoc on the brain if we have them too close together. At 42, 40New30, you're practically a child.
Thanks for the input! That's kinda what I was thinking...I'm still in a world of flatline...not complaining, it is what it is and it's helping my brain to reboot!
So you see a connection between lethargy and O. Do you think it's because you're not totally rebooted or that there's something else going on in your body/brain?
And thank you, Saville! Yeah, I don't think we're just being optimistic...porn has a huge 'unknown' effect on millions, that's why you see how these 40 year olds taking viagra and cialis. I was/am one of them...but not for much longer!
That makes sense to me, it's like you could go every day (capability wise) but obviously you don't feel like you need it. Thanks for the vote of confidence on my age, I feel better than I have since I was in college and it's all due to taking caring of myself and quitting PMO, which I could not have done without all of your help.
I really do see a connection between frequency of O and lethargy.
I'm not sure if I'm totally rebooted or what that state truly is like. I have no trouble getting an erection without physical stimulation, and no trouble having sex, so I guess I am healthy.
When I am in a healthy state, meaning my brain is sharp and my energy is good, I can orgasm and not have any after effects. But if I then have sex with O with the wife the next day, or have sex a couple of times within the next week, or even start edging some, then my brain goes into a fogged state, I feel lethargic and run down.
It has been over a week since I last orgasmed and I still haven't fully recovered, although I am improving with each day. last night and again this morning I had 2 sessions of sex without O. My sleep wasn't horrible but all day today I could feel the negative effects that it had on my prostate- poor flow.
As I've mentioned, I am on the once-a-week routine. It lacks spontaneity, but it feels right both physically and mentally. I despise that feeling of depression after O'ing and the accompanying fog. Sounds like you're figuring out what works for you.
I believe that these types of 'hangover' symptoms show that we're not yet rebooted, personally, I've seen a lot of guys reporting they had these types of symptoms for a long time after their PIED or other issues were healed.
They felt really good unless they orgasmed too frequently or even at all; as time went on the 'hangover' symptoms became shorter and shorter and eventually disappeared. I do believe all of these guys were squeaky clean in their reboots too.
I think for me, and maybe you, edging even a little will always negatively effect us, it seems to be very hardwired to P in our brains, to fantasy, what have you.
How long do you feel 'off' after the O? I do think I'll be able to handle once a week O's pretty soon, but I am going to work up to it and ease my system into it.
My brain continues to improve day by day. Today I had moments where I felt really good. Unfortunately, they didn't last for very long.
Still sneaking peaks at P subs. Ughhhhhh. Had sex with O with the wife and the good news is I slept great. I only woke up once, and I'm feeling pretty good today. I won't be having sex with the wife for at least a week to give my brain a chance to recover.
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