Could this be the answer to my problem?

Discussion in 'Ages 40+' started by ananoman, Dec 5, 2012.

  1. ananoman

    ananoman Member

    Just reflecting today on how broken down I feel these days. Don't sleep as well as I used to. My hands hurt from decades of chronic overuse (job related), all the aches and pains in the joints. Growing old is definitely not for sissies
     
  2. ananoman

    ananoman Member

    Multiple days of very low energy. Likely withdrawal symptoms that I just have to get through
     
  3. Do you take anything to help you sleep? Obviously drugs shouldn't be used unless absolutely necessary but sleep is critical to healthy function. My psychiatrist (yes, I'm crazy! ha) told me four years ago: "let's first get you back to sleeping". Tackling the other issues in my life were all secondary to the fact that my own physical issue (neuropathy) kept me from sleeping more than 3-4 hours a night for about four years. I was taking Ambien to sleep up until recently. For about five years I was on it in total. Now I'm on Trazadone. I MUST take something to at least get me to sleep. Once I get to sleep, I can now pretty much stay asleep so I now get 7 good hours of sleep a night. Has made all the difference in the world in terms of depression and basic functioning. Just curious as to why you can't sleep and what you've tried to fix it. Hope you get some sleep tonight, bro! :)
     
  4. ananoman

    ananoman Member

    Sometimes I might take an ambien or melatonin but I try not to.

    Yesterday I was tired all day from the moment I woke up. Fell asleep early (9:30) and woke up at 6 am. Felt great this morning but fell back into the grogginess by 9 am.

    Of interesting note is that last night I had a vivd erotic dream. Its amazing how badly my brain is seeking this stuff out that now I'm dreaming it.
     
  5. I think those kinds of dreams are common for we addicts. I know whenever I did have erotic dreams they were almost always of a "porn" variety. I.e., things that would never happen in real life. Of course when you're on a steady diet of porn, I didn't find myself having erotic dreams much at all. Still don't have them much in the last 3 months but I've had maybe 2-3 and they were less graphic than when using. Strong correlation? Not sure but maybe. I can identify with the grogginess comment...but I'm regularly taking some meds like Ativan for anxiety so not at a point where I can say one way or the other life without P means much higher levels of energy etc. Hope so!
     
  6. ananoman

    ananoman Member

    ...While the dream definitely was not of the porn variety, it was sexually charged. Not sure if it really means anything at all.
     
  7. Rex

    Rex PMO free is the only way it's going to be for me.

    Ananoman,

    One of the well known side effects of Ambien are wild dreams. If you have trouble sleeping try Valerian Root, it's 100% natural and it has a nice calming effect. You can buy it at any health food or vitamin store. When I have taken Valerian Root to get a good night's sleep in the past, it puts me soundly to sleep and I feel refreshed in the morning. Valerian Root won't give you crazy dreams, I haven't taken it in over a month but I never recall it ever giving me crazy or wild dreams.

    Good luck on your journey to be PMO free, we are both around 8 days free from PMO and we have many more to go!

    Rex
     
  8. ananoman

    ananoman Member

    yeah these dreams occurred without any sleep aids. In fact I haven't taken an ambient in several weeks.

    Having a tough time avoiding P subs- basically any ad with a pretty girl in it can be a trigger.
     
  9. ananoman

    ananoman Member

    having a tough time dealing with this. I started down the road of trying to sneak a peek- not even at P but just any P sub- girls in bikinis, sexy clothes, etc. Managed to stop before it got beyond a quick glance. I guess I need to get rid of my computer
     
  10. Rex

    Rex PMO free is the only way it's going to be for me.

    ananoman,

    I am right were you are in your recovery process we have hit the 9th day. I have noticed the same thing creeping up on me when I see in a regular magazine or newspaper an ad or an article of a beautiful woman, it starts those urges and good feelings hitting the brain. I replace them immediately with logic. By saying "I don't really care", "this will lead to bad things if I continue to fuel the thoughts with this type of fantasy", and then this one works great for me "this isn't my girlfriend (or my wife - I am not married) why am I wasting my time looking at this woman?" Then I think "if I met her in person she wouldn't give me the time of day" - this process helps me to realize it's a waste of time to start looking at these pictures of clothed beautiful women and I move on.

    Don't worry about the dreams they will pass in due time, keep seeing the big picture that another week from now the dreams will tame and after a few weeks they won't really be a big factor. Realize the dreams for what they are, a barrier that you need to walk around. Keep moving forward don't let the dreams pull you back.

    You can still use your computer, just say to yourself before you turn it one what you plan to do - read email, post on this board, do work, etc. Then when you are done, get right off and shutdown your computer, stay away from the casual Internet browsing that's a killer, when we start bouncing around to different websites clicking on links due to boredom that's when we start to slide fast. In other words state your purpose for using the computer before you use it and stick to that purpose.

    Another thing that's helpful is finding a constructive hobby to burn up the time and get your mind off the urges. Even something as simple as doing a 10,000 piece puzzle or buying one of those expert Lego building kits that you can spend hours building. It's amazing how the deep concentration on something like this will get your mind off of PMO and the urges that lead to it. When you're done you can tear it down and rebuild it from scratch. Idle time when recovering from porn is bad, keeping busy makes the PMO recovery process so much easier. Especially keeping the brain busy, if the brain is busy processing something good, it doesn't have time to focus on the bad.

    Prayer is another great tool, works for me when those urges hit hard, I can really feel the burden lessen after prayer.

    Keep up the good fight, you are doing well and we are all here for you!

    Rex
     
    Last edited: Jan 8, 2017
  11. ananoman

    ananoman Member

    Thanks for the encouragement Rex. Today like nearly all the days for the past 6 months has been one where I just slog through it in a state of grogginess. I took a nap after church and most days I would probably do the same if I didn't have to work
     
  12. Rex

    Rex PMO free is the only way it's going to be for me.

    ananoman,

    Sounds like my day, I fell asleep for about 4 hours in the evening after dinner, I have noticed the last 6 months that I nap more than I should and I tired all the time and it's tough to get motivated. For me I think it's the PMO addiction has been sapping my energy. I got some energy a few days after going PMO free, but the last few days I been feeling tired. I think my body is in withdrawal. I haven't taken any selenium or zinc supplements in the last few days, that may be a factor. I was reading where MO'ing saps males of vital nutrients like Selenium and Zinc. And some sources also say it takes D3 out of our bodies. I will take all of these right now and see if I feel better in the morning. I haven't been exercising like I should be, maybe I'll exercise before I go to bed too.

    Hope your grogginess passes. Keep up fighting the good fight!

    Rex
     
  13. ananoman

    ananoman Member

    Still feeling listless. Hoping that I will come out of this.
     
  14. Rex

    Rex PMO free is the only way it's going to be for me.

    You'll definitely bounce back and the feeling of listlessness will disappear. It's a tough time of year, where most of us live, it's cold and we tend to hibernate during these colder months. Try some exercise or go out and do something fun that you haven't done in a long time. I remember I was having a real bad day a few years back, and I went to one of those modern restaurants/bars with hundreds of arcade games about 30 miles from my house. I spent the afternoon playing old and new arcade games. It cleared my mind, got my thoughts off my troubles, and it brought back all those great memories of being a kid. It was like I walked into the place left my troubles at the door, went back to the early-1980s, and had fun without a care in the world. When I left I went home in great spirits, it was fantastic therapy.

    Keep up the good work, staying away from P, you're doing well!

    Rex
     
  15. ananoman

    ananoman Member

    Thanks for the encouragement. So last night I stayed up until 12:30 am to watch the college football championship game (I'm on the East coast). I was so hyped from all the excitement had to take an ambien to get to sleep. I woke up at 7 to get to work and was amazed that I felt so good on only 6 hours of sleep. I'm still going to try and get closer to 8 a night though
     
  16. ananoman

    ananoman Member

    spending my days functioning sort of like a walking zombie. The wife is annoyed that I am this way and annoyed that all I do when I get in bed is sleep.
     
  17. ananoman

    ananoman Member

    Boo had to reset my counter over the weekend.
     
  18. Rex

    Rex PMO free is the only way it's going to be for me.

    ananoman,

    Don't beat yourself up. We have all been there, you have made great progress. Pick yourself up and dust off your feet and learn from the fall, you can do it, you can keep fighting and be victorious.

    Rex
     
  19. ananoman

    ananoman Member

    So last night I got a boatload of sleep- 9.5 hours in bed and 8.5 hours of actual sleep according to my fitness band. Yet I was still dragging today. So if I can't blame it on lack of sleep what's causing this??
     
  20. Rex

    Rex PMO free is the only way it's going to be for me.

    ananoman,

    How's your overall health? How's your diet? Are you exercising regularly?

    Personally, I gained some extra weight towards the end of last year, and it always makes me feel lethargic when I pack on the pounds, I want to just sit around the house and do nothing. I have lost 10 lbs so far this year, but I have another 20 to go to get back to my ideal weight.

    A good diet is also vital, if you aren't eating enough fruits and vegetables and other healthy things this could be contributing to your lack of energy. If you eat fast food regularly which has very little nutrients and is full of lots of additives and chemicals, this can make you feel like you have no energy. Also try to stay away from MSG (Monosodium Glutamate), which is in a lot of different foods. When I eat MSG, I get depressed, get a massive headache, and then want to sleep all day.

    Try to drink more purified water (which is fluoride-free) or natural spring water (in BPA-free bottles like Fiji water), this helps to flush out the impurities in your system. And if you haven't done a colon cleanse program in recent years, try one. I went on a colon cleanse a year ago and couldn't believe how much better I felt after a few days.

    Good luck, hope you are feeling better.

    Rex


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