Abstinence of exciment (dopamine)

Discussion in 'Internet Addiction' started by NovoElevation, Oct 18, 2017.

  1. NovoElevation

    NovoElevation Member

    Guys, allright, let's pretend porn doesn't exist. Can the dopamine rush of social networks, news sites, gaming, youtube addiction, etc, affect your libido and/or erections? Like, we all know this stuff are addictive as well. Can they suck precious dopamine needed for a healthy libido? Can they make you just all-around life numb? Just desensitized for life?


    What can happen if someone tries a total abstinence of exciment, like not even going to the club, not even drinking alchool, not even watching TV. Like, trying to live a completely boring life. Or just changing bad habits to good ones, like meditation, talking personally to people, spending time cooking healthy stuff. Will that help rebuilding the dopamine circuit and therefore bring a new enthusiasm for life? (and sex too of course)
     
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  2. TheLongWalk

    TheLongWalk Guest

    Hi NovoElevation,

    that is a really interesting question. It's a shame that this forum tend to be so inactive at times. So I hope, you are still reading this.

    To the first question, I don't have an answer. I simply don't know if social networks, news sites, gaming, youtube addiction can affect your libido or even cause erectile dysfuntion. My wild guess would be that it can affect it at least but I don't think using this kind of entertainment can cause erectile dysfunctions per se. What I'm sure of is that they can make your life more numb as you questioned.

    I think, the key is to take a look at your life and evaluate it. Do you spend the majority of your life watching tv, playing games, or indulging in unhealthy behaviour? By the way, I won't consider going to a club or having a night out as unhealthy as playing video games for a whole day. Because you spend your time socially and if you don't overdo drugs or alcohol, it isn't that unhealthy. Plus, you normally just do it once per week, therefore it can't be compared with playing video games daily for 6 hours+.

    It has been written many times in different contexts, but the key is not the mere abstinence of unhealthy behaviour but the implementation of productive behaviour and habits. For example, if you watch tv all day, you need something productive to replace it with. Doing sports for example has great effects on the physical as the mental health and it's said, that it helps you rebuild your dopamine circuits faster. Also, doing sports causes you to releases healthy happiness hormones, so it's an ideal activity to replace tv/porn.

    Also, you could start playing an instrument, you could read more, you could start painting, meditation is always great, learning to cook healthily is also always good if you don't want to end up sick and bloated up. Little by little, you can start replacing unhealthy behaviour with healthy behaviour and see where it takes you. Just make sure not to tackle all problems at once. And if you, then, game a little here and there, watch a good series after a day of hard work, or check news sites once per day, it won't do that much of a harm.

    I hope, I could be of some help and I'm interested to hear what's your take on the topic.

    Best wishes
     
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  3. Lifeisbeautiful

    Lifeisbeautiful Active Member

    Yeah I have been thinking about it too these days. In the modern times, we are addicted to stimulation. We get bored really easily. Just sitting alone doin nothing for even a few minutes scares us. We always feel the need to engage ourselves in something and internet provides an easy answer. So yeah the addiction to overstimulation is pretty much real. What to do about it? Well let's face it. You cannot run away from everything. But what you can do is be mindful about everything you do. Develop the habit of asking yourself every now and then that whether what you are doing right now is really important? Is it healthy? Is it helpful in any way? Being mindful will go a long way in staying clear of unnecessary stimuli.
     
  4. Immature

    Immature New Member

    I am so hooked on the internet. If I'm on the can, I want my phone for web-browsing. Ditto when I get up in the morning, but still not ready to get out of bed.

    I always say I'm good alone, but am I really? I suppose if I didn't use the internet, I'd read books. That's what I used to do before the internet, beside PMO using magazines.
     
  5. Kick

    Kick Member

    I'm another internet addict ;)

    For PIED sufferers, I agree that it will have some effect on libido - our lust for life - so to speak. Consider the old habit of searching a P site for the 'perfect clip' and compare that to scrolling through Facebook for the next nugget of novelty - the next jolt of dopamine - they're very similar actions. I'm theorising here that the wiring of the old habit - searching for the perfect video on P sites - could be being kept alive by a similar behaviour of searching Google, Facebook or Youtube for the perfect article/video/meme etc..

    On a similar line to what TheLongWalk says, replacing these habits with social interaction is probably one of the best solutions. It feels good man.

    There is an interesting (albeit long) article I'll link about Dopamine receptors that talks a bit about what you refer to NovoElevation regarding spending more time 'bored'. Another way you could look at that is limiting the amount of pleasure you can have and in the article they use the term 'Pleasure budget' to discuss this. The idea being that one should try to limit unhealthy dopaminergic activity in a bid to change one's receptors. If you think about that you'll probably realise that this is similar to what we are doing when we abstain from P and M: significantly reducing dopamine released and in turn changing the receptors so that less dopamine still produces a response.

    without further ado, the article: https://gettingstronger.org/2010/10/change-your-setpoint/
     
  6. NovoElevation

    NovoElevation Member

    I am :) Albeit not so frequently.


    Well, i didn't mean that social media is going to cause ED directly, but i was wondering if it could cause "numbness", which can cause lack of interest in the opposite sex for example. I mean, there are different kinds of excitement and one type of excitement abuse may not affect another kind. But still, stimulation abuse is going to numb you out in some way.

    True that. However if ones starts a "behavior diet" free of dopamine rushes, isn't it better to avoid all kinds of excitement, at least on the beginning?



    I really am trying to cut the computer time, but it's so damn hard, because in the middle of crap that is the internet, there are also great stuff to check out. Information never stops. I have zero problems in cutting the porn, but other stuff like youtube, articles, etc is so damn hard.




    Exactly this! It's mind blowing, internet itself is a drug. Gotta have the fix!


    "Does what i am doing right now contributes to my projects?"
    The best description of what we should be doing about the internet, i heard it on a video about internet addiction, "internet should be used as an utility", that's it.
     
  7. NovoElevation

    NovoElevation Member

    One sunday morning, my cousin calls me on the phone:

    Cousin: So are you coming or what?!
    Me: Where?!
    Cousin: *hangs up phone*
    Me: WTF.... Oh wait!"

    I was on the bed just browsing on the phone for 2 or 3 hours already and totally forgot i had a family lunch scheduled that day.

    That's what i want to do too. Thing is, books have no way to compete with the influx of information that is the internet. Let's not forget that youtube videos offer way more stimulation than books. It's a losing fight most of times.



    We all have seen some kind of scene where a nun or a monk is over excited over something trivial. The arrogant in us, just thinks that nun/monk is just stupid for being so over-excited about something trivial. But right now, you know what? I'm envious of them and their fabulously working dopamine :)
    Lets get serious, who wouldn't want to have their level of fresh excitement right now?


    I sound like a parrot talking about this article on and on, but i'm going to link it anyway:
    http://davidrainoshek.com/2013/06/how-facebook-fb-is-altering-your-mind-2/

    Instagram may be even worse i think.


    Perfect term!

    Thanks for the article! This goes in line with my intuition. The insulin example is just great. I think it applies holistically to us. Like the bald dudes in Tibet (or India) say, the path is on the middle way.

    I want to start a "diet" free of dopamine rushes. But these modern times make it very difficult.
     

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